latest 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of "peace and security." Why will world leaders say that? 1. There may be some infighting about this as there was in Franz' day, but some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! Revelation is clear that it is the Kings of the earth versus God. We will (1)share in the ministry as long as that is possible, (2)maintain our program of study, and (3)continue to trust in Gods protection. The Bible says 'their days are seventy or eighty', so Witnesses figured that the end must come around 1994 at the latest. The general warnings about the nearness of the end, no matter how strongly they are worded, will simply not have the same impact as a definite prediction. *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! *** Reference Bible Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***, 20 "'However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. This calculation is based in the year 1914 as the begining of the last days plus the. A few weeks later, the Jehovah's Witnesses closed on a $200 million sale of that building to the private equity firm Kayne Anderson Real Estate Advisors, which plans to turn the property into . Only when new appointments are made to the governing body of people who have a reasonable chance of making it to 2034 will this idea get off the ground. You know how they expected the end of the world in 1843/4? 16:14) However, in this article, we will also use the term Armageddon to refer to the war that immediately follows the gathering of the kings of the earth. Over the past five years, hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to raids, arrests and prosecution in Russia. (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 11. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? We can benefit from this consideration. Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy." All his enemies will be destroyed. 19:16) This is what makes the congregation theocratic in structure, adhering to God-rule. 5:31) At Armageddon, Gods enemies will likewise perish, while those who love God will be saved. Megiddo and the nearby Jezreel Valley were the sites of many battles. 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of peace and security. Why will world leaders say that? (Prov. 24:14. The account in Luke is admittedly much clearer in putting emphasis on the event, it occurred rather than the days of. Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). Why were publishers doing more hours (per publisher) in the late 1980s/early 1990s than in 1975? . 1975 came and went and the governing body had to deal with the fallout for the coming 5 years until things started to pick up again. They proudly bear his name, and they have obeyed his command to flee from Babylon the Great. 20:17, 22,23) And he may use his angels to slay the wicked. beliefs, Is the Watchtower Predicting The End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints? Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man's existence on earth. Jehovah has allowed the nations time to experiment with all different forms of government. They may be surprised by the sudden start of Jehovahs day, but they will not be caught off guard. Because that will be 120 years from when the Watchtower was first published. How many religions have voluntarily "ceased operations/closed for business"? 4:18)"February 15, 1981, page 19. You should live with fellow Jehovah's Witnesses only. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building.. Each year they gather into the organization tens of thousands of new ministers, clearly a product of Jehovah's spirit operating through his invisible King-Son and his angelic representatives, then through his faithful slave class on earth today.- . 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. 346-348 pars. *** Awake! PRIVACY SETTINGS, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/2019561/univ/art/2019561_univ_sqr_xl.jpg, THE WATCHTOWERSTUDY EDITION September2019, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/a/w/E/201909/wpub/w_E_201909_lg.jpg. 16:16. Tweet. How can we remain faithful to Jehovah as Armageddon draws near? This means that 0.236% of Jehovah's Witnesses have died of Covid-19, over 4 times higher than the global rate in August 2021 of 0.051%. It will not arrive in my lifetime (I'm part of Wobble's generation), nor will it occur within the lifetime of anyone who ever lives. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. This way they can simply say that we "read to much" into the explanation given. 8 Replies "My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do," says Jehovah. But the powers-that-be in Brooklyn learned nothing from this mishap.Even today, this cult thrives on attempting to capitalize upon international events, suggesting that such are indicators of the impending Armageddon.. The Bible tells us about a most unusual proclamation. 2:26, 27; 7:9,10) Yes, what a privilege the great crowd will have had to support Jehovahs anointed servants while these were still on earth! View Rude Words. You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets , or witnesses for God. To receive everlasting life in the earthly we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it. Did not Moses make a 40-year miscalculation in trying to act ahead of time to remove Israel's affliction? (a)How do we show that we know God? In what way will Christs anointed brothers be able to return the kindness shown them? Before the war of Armageddon begins, all of the 144,000 will have been raised to heaven as immortal spirits. class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. 16:16. Zoning, tax questions. "It is easy for the established churched of Christendom and other people to criticize JWs because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on 'certain dates'.True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materializee at the anticipated time. I think a western shrinkage will start in the 2020's and a organizational shift toward the third world will happen. As the Bible states, These persons are SELECTED by Jehovah. They believe that Jesus Christ has been ruling in heaven as king since 1914, a date they believe was prophesied in Scripture, and that after that time a period of cleansing occurred, resulting in God's selection of the Bible Students associated with Charles Taze Russell to be his people in 1919. Coming? Then I read an interesting thing about the Adventists. 38:19-22) He may turn his enemies against one another. Was the Siege at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Worst in World History? 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. Their organization, being patterned after the first-century Christian congregation, is blessed by Jehovah. Published March 6, 2022 8:55 a.m. PST. These ones. If you found the Watchtower contradicted the Bible which would you believe? Even then, the governing body will have a challenge in convincing ordinary Witnesses to hang around until then. The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. by xbro I haven't looked at the youtube but YES, it has already been subtly hinted at and implied that the parallel of Noah's day with the "last days" would also include a 120 year period of preaching/warning work (that would be from 1914 to 2034). 18:7,8. To suggest that this text has a primary prophetic focus in modern times reflects a gross distortion of this passage. For further information, consult the article on this web site: A Study of Matthew Twenty-four. Those events occurred over many decades. I asked this question (and I received no answer). Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. It's amazing that other Christians will mock us for this scriptural belief but at the same time tell . And they will not recover until they make a new prediction That is all history you know already, so sorry for going over it again. Those events occurred over many decades. The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. I didn't see this as an endorsement of 2035 as the end, but rather a statement that there's still lots of time left. New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. No wonder this has a dramatic effect on the Witnesses' ability to convert and retain members - in the western world they have still to recover from the 1995 announcement. Rather, he compared his presence to the much longer period of time that led up to the Flood. 38:3, 4, 18, 21-23. Maybe the fix for posts being cut off got applied to the topic titles as well. Accommodation Rules One Should Follow. While I'm not sure they'll make the same mistake they made before, but I would be willing to put some money on it. ^ par. A quarter of a century ago I filed a copy of the Watchtower magazine (published and distributed by the Jehovahs Witnesses). The OT junk about God bringing mass slaughter was just to make the Israelites feel good about themselves and their volcano god. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. Because of our eagerness, we have hoped for the new system earlier than Jehovah's timetable has called for it. Maybe instead of WT setting their own date, they will fall back on the possibility of Newton's calculations. 16 Whether we have been in the truth for many years or not, to be saved at Armageddon, we must show that we know God and that we obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. (2Thess. (The Watchtower June 1, 1976 pgs. For one thing, among Witnesses, the generation idea had a lot more credibility than the 1975 chronology. He will vent that rage by using demonic propagandaunclean inspired expressionsto cause a coalition of nations to turn on Jehovahs servants. That will be enough for the WTS to delude the JW's for another 14 yrs. Is it just me, or do they swing from one extreme to another? 4. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. And should we forget; liars. Or those determined to fight a "war on terror". (b)Based on Revelation 16:14, 16, why can we say that Armageddon is not a literal place? And you can tell when Armageddon is near when you see the things . And she has spilled much blood, including the blood of Gods servants. And all that without upsetting the majority of its members. Would you like to read this article in %%? by slimboyfat His mother died 16 years later in 1954, refusing a blood transfusion for a life-saving operation. You know how to tell when summer is near. (January 1883, page 425) "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." 14 Gog will trust in his arm of fleshhis military might. There are no signs of the second coming of Christ in spite of the claims of the Watchtower cult and their religious kinsmen, the Dispensationalists. But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. As I stated earlier about the account in Luke 17:26-28 referring to the occurrence (event) of the end versus the period of time it would seem that clear thinking would prevent us from trying to attach a length of time of any sort to the presence of Jesus Christ based upon the account in Matthew citied in the article. They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? Share The "Jehovah's Witness" view of the "battle of Armageddon" is but one example of the ineptness of this group to analyze biblical prophecy. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. Not from the WT officially, but a conjecture that it is a possible foundation date for the future. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." 7 The proclamation of peace and security precedes Jehovahs day. (Read 1Thessalonians 5:1-6.) Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years. So, can it now be reasoned that there is at least some indication that the presence of Jesus Christ can now be numbered at 120 years based upon the record of the history of Noah (or the days of Noah) in Genesis, making the end now to appear to come in 2034? THE SUPREME COURT STILL INTERPRETS, thank God; and Christ Jesus, the Court?s official mouthpiece of interpretation, reserves to himself that office as head of Jehovah?s ?faithful and wise servant? Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' latest 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. Why will the proclamation of peace and security be a dangerous lie? Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. You will see a gradual emphasis of this until the mid-to-late 2020s when they will go completely nuts with it like they did in 1914, 1915, 1925, 1975. But what happens when an elder's reasoning is confronted with . Religion is the most profitable legal business because religions can misquote, misrepresent, and use unethical practices without fear of punishment. 12. The Watchtower recognizes the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature. If you truly want to be rid of them, you will need to answer the door and let them know. Was it not founded on the 'immovable' 1914 date? ; p. 99), 1917 "And the mountains were not found. (Rev. Armageddon is just ahead. *** Watchtower 1943 July 1 pp. The word Armageddon appears just once in the Scriptures, and it comes from a Hebrew term that means Mountain of Megiddo. (Rev. Fred was half blind, and so am I from studying texts in Hebrew and Greek and writing java code. "Why 1999? Jehovah's Witnesses are members of a Christian-based religious movement probably best known for their door-to-door evangelistic work. It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. It appears to me that the context of these accounts is clearly focusing on an event (it occurred Luke 17:26) that overtook unwary people. Jehovah's Witnesses Sources of Authority (Jas. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. There are a couple f groups who believe in 2034. That obedience includes keeping Kingdom interests in first place, living by Gods righteous standards, and announcing Gods Kingdom. 3:25,26. (1Cor. Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be.'). In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses. The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men. 2. (b)According to Ezekiel 38:2, 8, 9, what will bring Gog to the symbolic place called Armageddon? Alas, such appears not to be in the foreseeable future. Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! ***. That war will save mankind by removing the wicked and preserving the righteous. Copyright 2023 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. In contrast, what the Bible says about Armageddon involves good news, a cause for happiness! Are There Signs of the Second Coming of Christ? 11:18) To help us understand these points more clearly, let us consider four questions: What is Armageddon? Still keep the whole end time thing like others have but make it much more nonspecific, keep the no trinity, no hell, maybe no holidays. In what important way will the war of Armageddon differ from the battle that Barak fought? 25:31-40. (Genesis 15:13; Acts 7:6, 17, 23, 25, 30, 34) Were not Christ's apostles overanxious to see the Kingdom established, not to speak of their complete misunderstanding as to what the Kingdom really is? Lots of threats - pandemic, China, Russia, terrorism and no real integrity in leadership are unnerving, however the JW's have a clear and tangible history of falsely prophesying Armageddon, actually 6 or 7 separate and distinct episodes in their brief ~140 year history - yes "God's Organization" is less than 200 yrs old as while Jesus walked . It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes." Jehovah's Witnesses, however, expected that the . (The Messenger, Sept. 1940, p. 6), 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end" to the world, even announcing a specific date. Its mission is to reveal documents, files, and publications that are kept secret from the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly vulnerable persons and women. In what order will God destroy Satans world? 5 Jehovahs people have long awaited Armageddon. (Rev. Lots of reasons, but I think that the main one is the 'generation' prophecy. 16:16; ftn.) 3 Read Revelation 16:14,16. And the mountains were not found. (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." 8 Footnote: The Greek word used in Luke for occurred (ginomai) speaks to a happening, and more specifically the context reveals a happening within the days of Noah, the event rather than the days being the primary discussion as is seen in Thayer's Lexicon Definitions: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. With a prediction like that, would you mind us adding you to this list of hallowed prophesiers? Final Prophecy Cycle Timeline Images; . In December, the 2021 Governing Body Update #10 announced that 25,658 Jehovahs Witnesses have died due to Covid 19. This crazy religion changes doctrine more than some people change underwear. What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? Do Jehovah?s Witnesses claim to be a prophet of Jehovah? In verse 5, the apostles concluding admonition is: from these turn away. The expression turn away renders the Greek term apotrepou, an imperative mood, present tense, middle voice form, together with the singular number/masculine gender. The phrase is taken from Jesus' words in the book of Matthew. The statement in the footnote appears to ignore the parallel account in Luke 17:26-28: Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all. *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! Jehovah's Witness, member of a millennialist denomination that developed within the larger 19th-century Adventist movement in the United States and has since spread worldwide. ***. 9:26) (Aid to Bible Understanding, Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Society, 1971, p. 642). class. This may seem counter-intuitive to getting rid of someone, but the fact is that if you don't answer the door, they are likely to mark you as "not home" and return in the near future. We must, therefore, insist that the Scriptures do not teach that Armageddon is a carnal conflict that is a precursor to the end of earths history. watchtower There is no comparison! Your donation gift(s) are very much appreciated and may qualify as a charitable deduction for federal income tax purposes. (Matt. This calculation is based in the year 1914 as the begining of the last days plus the. They have to figure out a way to motivate the average JW in the developed world to give more. Armageddon specifically refers to Mount Megiddo in Israel where some Christians believe the final conflict between good and evil will take place. Witness leaders nowadays do not have the luxury of an 'open the window' period of reform, although there have been some small moves in that dirrection. All rights reserved. The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: Are we nearing Armageddon? (Watchtower, October 15, 1980). Should we use these accounts in Matthew and Luke to indicate an extended period of time of the presence of Jesus Christ? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/succeed_fail1.html. Prior to 1975, it was widely taught among the Witnesses that that year would usher in the end. When such did not occur, thousands abandoned the movement. Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? 5. But, I am fearfully confident that many others will do so and this will be a question many will ask. 37:2337-Minute Listen. Nothing is interpreted but the interpretation comes from God and is then published . (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968). Sure, they've had growth but its not translated into enough cash to keep the status quo. Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. "The year 1940 is certain to be the most important year yet, because Armageddon is very near. when would they say their 144,000 would come from. Mr. theodore Jaracz, member of the Governing body, known as the faithful and discreet slave, who provides with spiritual meat to the domestics in due time, a. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' Where the Adventists have been, the Witnesses will follow. Many others have . 16. Thieves! Some of these views involve the length of time it would take for the end to come. The core notion embraced by Jehovah's Witnesses is that Armageddon is imminent, and that the only way to be saved from a terrible end-times death is to abide by their tenets, which are dispensed . 23 The holy spirit of Jehovah is working mightily today! ", I asked. But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished than to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? *** Watchtower 1981 February 15 p.19 Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible? Per Jehovah's Witnesses' theology, Armageddon is preceded by a period of time known as "the great tribulation.". *** Watchtower 1965 June 1 p.352 Questions from Readers ***. 17:3,16) That swift destructionas if in one daywill come as a shock to those who supported her. Try as they might to dress it up well in talks and the publications, ordinary Witnesses knew in their gut that the society were saying they simply did not know how long the old system might last. Period. Or will ordinary Witnesses see through the date setting because of the flood of information on the Internet? We are certainly in 'the time of the end.'. But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. I have a suggestion about what might happen to Witnesses in the future. If we have once established what instrument God is using as his "slave" to dispense spiritual food to his people, surely Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. ***. 4. 10. (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment 1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. They were so specific about this prediction, that they narrowed . (Isa. You would likely increase cash flow. Prior to 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses believed that Armageddon would end in 1914, and this included the fall of false religion (including Christendom) and the end of all earthly governments followed by heavenly and earthly resurrections and the establishment of paradise on earth. 2. They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. 1993 March 22 pp.3-4 Why So Many False Alarms? Possibly. It is Gods spirit that bears witness with that persons spirit that anoints them with the heavenly hope. 13. Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. 1. 11ff); it affirmed that Armageddon indeed was near. Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh, Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. (Ezek. (2Chron. *** Awake! Actions against the religious group and its individual members spanned the Nazi years 1933 to 1945. Those who have read Raymond Franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about Dan Sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'. *** w86 3/15 p. 19 Allow No Place for the Devil! Aussi ses jours se monteront-ils cent vint ans." (a)Why is Armageddon good news for mankind? (The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 258), 1917 "It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918." Well, I'll be, let's see74 then. They were not the first group to resist mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, but their resistance was the most widespread, coordinated, and uncompromising. Like Pharaoh at the Red Sea, Gog will learn that he is fighting against Jehovah.Ex. 12 God will not allow the nations to destroy his people. ^ par. 17:16) So Gog will expect an easy victory. In 2014, a San Diego judge ordered Watchtower to award $13.5 million to a man who was abused by a church . Rather, he will destroy it in two main stages. 19:11, 14,15) But what about Jehovahs chief enemy, Satan, whose lying propaganda led the nations to Armageddon?
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