I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. But in America, (to quote HUG) its all about the Benjamins, baby. For a number of reasons Texans dont want to say bad things about a church no matter how many people are being hurt. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. I think people on all sides of these conflicts did some pretty horrendous things, as well as some decent things. The City of Ozark has an established process in place to investigate, enforce, and educate violators of the ordinance, the department said before stating that it does not condone the flouting of health mandates. . Im honored that Marks here so I dont want anybody reading what Im saying as some kind of disclaimer or apology. Albuquerque Blue wrote: One of six. i am going to get a can of alpha-wolf-away and spray out my apartment now. think of him as he is pray to glorified jesusking of kings lord of lords worshiped by angels. stephen says Ive gotta find jesus on the worst most devasting difficult damaging day of my life I have to find jesus (more mark interpreting the bible for all of us non pastors, stephen already knew where Jesus was) and he sees jesus, what is jesus doing? Thanks for that recommendation. Q. if mark is not truly repentant, (which is totally conceivable since he has never apologized for anything except being too unkind in firing people and running people into the ground under his God given authority) then this could be compared, (by sin levelers who will be quick to show up here and defend him)this could be compared to Jordan Root getting right back in the mission field and preaching about what happens when women and heathens in the press persecute godly people accused of child porn addictions with no evidence. Mark Driscoll was totally missing those things. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. John Lindell has spoken. His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills and Jesus never asked a single person for a single penny. The best thing about it is one young woman had incredible courage. He cannot or will not go back to school to become a plumber or a dentist or what ever, so he has to figure out how to get back into the Christian preaching / book writing / convention circuit. I think Christians make a huge mistake when looking at patterns of spiritual abuse, deception and tyranny as whether or not they are criminal according to our laws. I think older people ignored the bad boy Driscoll because he seemed to be reaching the young people. http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm Thats why I would use a better example: If you knew that someone is a recovering alcoholic, would you employ him as a barkeeper? i found it impossible to take advantage of people, i found that if i hurt someone even unententionally i couldnt sleep until i made it right. I am thinking that is no doubt true, but Saul/Paul was also a religious activist who had double crossed his former sponsors in Jerusalem who had given him credentials to go seek out believers for persecution. Its what he does. . Elders thatthat sin are to be rebuke before all, that others also may fear. That was not my intention. Which is all to say that if he was a wanted man back in Jerusalem and the believers did not trust him, then some of the credit for his going away for a few years goes to those who did not let him just keep on keeping on, despite some abrupt lateral entry into proto-christianity. i was thinking about how i probably sound critical to some people when i post on here about how i dont think people are apologizing right. This is off topic but your question has been the basis of discussion with many associates for the last 6 months, many recently leaving an authoritarian church. Ill be honest I dont see Christ in it. Albuquerque Blue reminded me of something about mark driscoll during the fall. However, you are on to something with the radical chic concept. Great insight. Where David cut the fabric from Sauls garment in the cave, showing he could have killed Saul but didnt, reflects Gods desire that David not physically harm Saul. At some point, with enough outcry and rage from outside, they may hopefully see it as you did looking up at that 3 x 5 card on your bulletin. How can they do that? http://www.nancyalcorn.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=21 Thanks for the link i want to read more of the writers work. The hyper romanticized cinematic version of the uber cool Che trumps the reality of his bloody terrorist tactics and the horrors and oppression that his brand of communism inflicted on others. In your mega travels, Lydia, whats the biggest honorarium from tithe dollars you have been privy to? hee hee. Actually, I think the timing was just for that reason. Why should we bother with reading history or learning the truth? elisabeth seton wrote: When you add atmosphere teams to further manipulate peoples worship experience that is too much. Additionally, Jonna Petry (who started the blog Joyful Exiles) was shunned along with the Petry children. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of encouraging and maintaining the procedures necessary to keep people safe and secure, James River Church officials explained. What am I saying? He has not shown himself capable of being trusted with that sort of ministry in the first place. No body guards. @ Nancy: Why would anyone seek to admire and celebrate a man who plotted to kill millions of innocent American civilians? Sam, I sincerely hope that nothing Ive written ever makes you rethink your relationship with God. Because you worked with multiple megas you have a very diverse perspective that is invaluable. But we dont know yet for sure. As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll see link It was clear to me that Marks attendance had the potential to divert attention from the real purpose. I dont think people that have fallen for false teachers are stupid, i think instead it reflects the degree of deceit in the false teachers and the seriousnes of the manipulations being used. His career has been a total focus on getting his narcissistic supply. @Albuquerque Blue It is profoundly ironic that false teachers twist this particular scripture in an abusive way to their advantage just so that they can continue abusing. But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. luke was paul's dr and paul was luke's pastor. If so you may be onto something. Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. Its just another singing and acting gig for many of them. Im not saying that I don't believe anyone, I really just want to learn the other side of this argument. This was a new song to me. Good luck to you Sam. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. Sorry, I dont know why I wrote that, Ive always thought of you as a him. The resistance is to Jesus. We have strongly encouraged masking and social distancing each and every weekend during this challenging season. I wish he would try to get a corporate communications job or something though. But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. Are we really talking about clerical influence/position/authority and money? Dont get Left Behind. kudos to the hosts of the aussie tv show that made brian huston look at the absolute facts and rediculousness of his supporting (and paying for) an american mega pastor who is well known in christian circuits I use the term rediculous because I dont want to be mean or judgmental, but I believe that brian was all for helping mark get back in the saddle until it cost him some publicity. The mighty Kari Jobe is featured in some of the faking it videos they play in the classes. We need to be just absolutely rigorously adherent to things that we know work. But it would be encouraging if they did. It is possible for someone who is engaged in homosexual behavior to stop.". And Shifting the Blame. . saul walks onto the stage of history. pastors that use their position to wreck peoples lives arent expected to go to jail or show tears publicly and thats ok if its not warranted but it is very reasonable for people to see something, anything, that looks like actual remorse before they think its ok for them to go back to influencing the lives of people. I didnt realize tens of thousands had already left. What Mark Driscoll Told Brian Houston at Hillsong Conference (updated) Even if Houston hadnt properly researched before the demise of MH, surely he must have learned something to have made the decision to downgrade MD from speaker to interviewee. starting to act animalistic the resistance is increasing, how will stephen respond?. Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. He was a mass murdering thug. Others appear to draw some type of inspiration from Driscoll. Its all good until (insert question or issue). https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/how-to-respond-to-a-faith-crisis-establishing-and-building-trust/. (This was all before the sex sermons and book.) James River Church is one of the largest Assemblies of God churches in the United States. Restaurants and bars / taverns also use atmosphere teams. Having heard MDs messages for several years now, I believe he is trying to lead people into thinking its about him. Connection ends, shunning begins and the cycle begins all over again with the next batch of newbies. I agree more with you than I would like to. This was not due to the kindness of the elders (who told us we could not leave because we were under church discipline). years ago when non denoms were pentecostal and full gospelit seemed they were trying to get back to the Jesus of the bible, the Living Jesus. Maybe the apostles did not want to be found by a major persecutor of the movement and Saul/Paul had no alternative but to put some distance between himself and his previous life until things calmed down a bit. Lindell hit two main points: the Bible is clear in its condemnation of homosexuality as sin and the ordinance is an infringement on the religious rights of Christians who believe so. This captures precisely what I have been sensing as well. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. notable pastors have been pouring into his life. So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. There is an old belief in bapto-evangelico circles that one of the criticisms that could for sure be said against certain other christian religious traditions is that they have priests and we do not, because they let the priests tell them what to do and influence them too much but in our way of doing things that does not happen. It is affiliated with Assemblies of God USA. Not me, not you, and definitely not Mark Driscoll. . Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! So work harder for the state and your comrades who do not meet their quotas. I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility Thats certainly how Driscoll has handled things. Hadnt considered that a pastor would brainwash to that length. What I didnt know until this year is how much they are invading their universities as well. (the homes), just a few helpful links re: hillsong lol, http://www.news.com.au/national/hillsong-church-linked-to-abuse-claims/story-e6frfkp9-1111115815321. When that donor eventually supported our decision to leave peaceably, Jamie Munson was in a pickle. Open Discussion Page. It is an issue of protecting other people. But you need to make sure you hear the second truth. He can be reached at 836-1253, spokin@gannett.com, on Twitter @stevepokinNL or by mail at 651 N. Boonville, Springfield, MO 65806. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. They may have been totally shocked when Mark began to spew his rude, humiliating, oppressive descriptions and warped perceptions of scripture and men and women. mark is finally preaching more accurately who Jesus is and the fact that salvation is found in Jesus but then he goes off into marks interpretation of the bible as usual. HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, i tweeted: 1 point: homosexuality is a sin, according to the Bible, and Christians should vote for repeal. It could be that they are as ignorant as I once was, but it makes me distrust their judgment and discernment and dislike them all the same. was paul asking for forgiveness? And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. I have heard Marks message several times now and have some concerns. i hope the same is happening to others who have been victims of spiritual abuse and church cult tactics. I am also pretty sure the accounts of his instrumental role in bringing Russian nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to Cuba to be used against the US were not purely fabricated, so I did not believe I was disseminating false information at the time I wrote that. Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. I used to buy into this,thinking it is such wisdom to see ourselves in the examples of scripture, until I realized that we never seem to see ourselves as the villain. So this is kinda what we do So in Africa we partnered and we have an orphanage there that now has I think it is 32 kids and 140 people in Mars Hill give monthly to help support them. Mot only do I think Driscoll is a wolf in sheeps clothing, but I think hes opportunistic, and because being a preacher is all he knows. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. He can be forgiven. Personally I do not believe God would ever anoint a blatant false teacher. IMO they are not qualified to interpret the Bible. These leaders are lacking even a basic level of discernment or judgement. One needed them because they were somehow spiritually qualified (?) @ LT: Is this similar to Radical Chic? I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. Then he could claim more fictional persecution. Or is it just a GW thing? Mark Driscoll has a lot of repenting to do and until he does that he should not be permitted to preach/speak at any church. Of course but that is so remote given the environment I am not holding my breath. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. Silly me! I dont think it is realistic. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious. In December 2007, Merle and I quietly left Mars Hill Church. your comments are great. ( a stage really ) Same old spin .different tune. helpful or even hopeful in terms of my eternal afterlife. ". After witnessing Philips miracles, he tried to buy the power with his money. Did nefarious conspirators plagiarize his books, hire Result Source and use his evil twin again to go with his wife to meet with his agents to put that $210,000 manipulation in place, all behind the real MDs back? I completely understand why you are so skeptical. Is that leader with a criminal record hitting on your young teen? Just watch any random hour of TBN or Daystar. Some are stronger and more capable of speaking out and as we feel able to I believe that we must. As I was getting ready for church last Sunday morning, I quickly checked my Facebook feed for any news and saw the this headline (see screen shot below): I 'shared' the article from an Australian news source, along with a comment: "Mark Driscoll needs to step away from the microphone for a long season of contemplation.". and that it is ok to debate that point in public. . The Washington Post published the following headline last Sunday: Controversial preacher Mark Driscoll stripped from megachurch Hillsong conference lineup link. hes a wonderful pastor to the very end. I doubt he walked away broke. It shouldnt be about raw numbers of attenders and financial statements if it is a true church. I cant see those photos without also thinking of the images weve all seen of the impossible circumstances our hospitals are battling every day, Goddard began in a series of tweets. Good point as far as it goes. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And I saw it. His appeal, then and now, has much to do with his looks plus a perception of him being anti-establishment, which he was. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. I dont feel I HAVE to agree with you. Where are all the former higly paid speaking gigs that were constant and kept his calendar full with travel? peaceable disposition. All allegation deserve to be investigated with openess and transparancy. He further states: A door was closed to who I was and a door was opened to who I became. I can't help but wonder whether Driscoll is talking about Paul or himself. He was an abusing thug. At least at one point, women made up about 50% to 50% of most churches. It is the normalization of sociopathy. And of course JLindell can know that MD has NOT repented and sought reconciliation with those he threatened with breaking their nose, and then expelled and shunned. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. In case this was not a rhetorical question, Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community. And Jesus said He would send the Spirit of Truth, how we deal with situations in truth or deceitfulness is very telling. The worst thing in the world right now for Chandler is that Mark is in making the Christian news cycle. Whats the worst import/export that youve seen? My Comment was Deleted In his case, [Pauls] trust had to be earned, for obvious reasons. Or that they were called to be what they are. Maybe six months from now, there'll be another terrible story, and we'll know that they BS'd us. sheep are watching and wolves coming. If one other person had confirmed my concerns then I would not have pushed my data points aside as just being something only I had an issue with. i dont know what the answer is except to not get under the pastor leader concept ever. The question may even be wrong, maybe it isnt what is the church but who is. )(mark is apparently not impressed with peter baptizing 3,000 followers in one day cause peter isnt able to be made into a complementarian I guess), interestingly mark points out how stephen handled it but not how mark handled slight persecution which was actually not persecution but truth leveled against him) Jesus Church or 501(c)3 Religious business? I began to see him as a marketing expert, who was producing what the young Reformed, technology driven market would respond to, and then marketing it in excellent ways. ", Meanwhile, here's what was communicated 'Down Under' "Houston, we have a problem.". If after many years of that, he wrote a book about how God brought about change within, Id be interested in reading it. Their statements to Karen Hinkley and everyone else may be complete cynical BS to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, or at least those of their pewsitters. James River Church Engaged Employer Overview 38 Reviews 63 Jobs 26 Salaries -- Interviews 9 Benefits 47 Photos 12 Diversity Follow + Add a Review Employee Review See All Reviews ( 38) 2.0 Former Employee, more than 3 years Leadership not always what they portray Mar 2, 2017 - Anonymous Employee in Ozark, MO Recommend CEO Approval And he actually dismissed several of them as how Sissies or men who wear product in their hair act. @ Gus: Because he simply cannot be trusted not to repeat himslefthus destroying more lives. (KY3) - James River Church responded Monday to complaints after social media images show little social distancing and few masks at its Christmas celebrations. Even a brief check on MD online will turn up 67 billion pages with examples of his vulgar or obnoxious and bullying behavior, including several blogs by ex Mars Hill members. Posted by NancyAlcorn at 1:06 PM 2 comments. Maybe then, someone would seek him out to lead and it would be safe again. notable pastors have been pouring into his life. All the celebrity has to do is play the victim/repented card and teach cheap grace. Likewise, in house churches sin happens because people will be people. He needs to start small, out of the public eye, not in front of thousands. In case this was not a rhetorical question, Im trying to get people to understand it because theres a whole lot of stuff thats out there thats being said, much of it is just just simply not even close to truth. I began to see him as a marketing expert, who was producing what the young Reformed, technology driven market would respond to, and then marketing it in excellent ways. Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. 15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/answers/jewish-polemics/texts/christian-proof-texting/, from reading rob smiths post about the orphanage Agathos in Africa being defunded by Marks Hill church and marks telling missionaries not to work with them it is clear where Matt Chandler got the idea. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. I fully understand the depression and near paralysis that comes after leaving a cult. The singles have a lot of money to be exploited as well, but churches are stuck in a rut of trying to fleece the married folks. It was so heretical that even the MH staff saw issues and took it down. So glad for the folks that started the petition to dis-invite Driscoll, which I signed as well as for those in Australia who protested his abusive, un-Christian behavior toward others, including women. How far can a pastor go in preaching the gospel when it comes to a political issue? He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. They knew exactly what they were buying. he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. "Eastview Christian Church pastor, Mike Baker, resigns after son, Caleb Baker, is fired from Central Christian Church for adultery" Why? Seems like the truth being covered, twisted, remade, ignored is what keeps these people in power and LTs post brings the truth as it actually is back to the forefront. . The guests are members and attendees (because many regulars never joined). The James River Church Joplin Campus, located at 1850 S Maiden Ln, Joplin, MO 64801 now has a permanent location! Im really glad that you are reaching out to GW and other exiles. Training ourselves to sense right from wrong based on the Word of God and empowered by the Holy Spirit will result in a clear conscience.. He. You would think that over a decade of Manly Man, sexist, dude-bro, preachers that people have had enough, the novelty has worn off, and theyre ready to get real about Church and the faith again? I present to you James River church in Springfield Missouri this past weekend. James River Assembly, Ozark MO. (Not that I waiting with bated breath). "We cannot endorse a candidate and we cannot endorse a party," he said. Many teach that when Paul said he was chief of all sinners he was claiming to be as evil as he always was. Pastor Lindell invited disgraced misogynistic megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll to speak at James River Assembly while Driscoll was in the midst of a sexual harassment and bullying scandal in his home church. They stay in and around the very thing that ruined them in the first place. To tell, perhaps? It's because Caleb was allegedly involved in multiple sexual relationships while on staff at daddy's church and he was, The Gospel Coalition now says not everyone can be a missionary. So I can see why some churches would want him on board. He fails all or almost all the qualifications laid out for that role as outlined in the New Testament. especially i want to comment Bills comment: A group of followers dealing directly with each other and not with an institution sounds appealing. i have seen this with great fruit but sooner or later they seem to join a church and then get into the organized one leader concept of church, usually a small church and then i have seen the vision they had and the practice of each one seeking the Lord individually disapear and be replaced by how to organize and raise funds to do more in the name of the Lord. Its much harder to leave that way. Think of it as telling a kid how special they are every day and giving them a trophy daily. Thanks for your help Numo! His messages change in content, but not in root meaning. Whats the worst import/export that youve seen? And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. We dont hear about them so much, unfortunately, because they are not so concerned with informing the world about their humility. And equally astonishing is that other Christian leaders support his abusive style or at least overlook it. I take it to mean: Don't feel so bad, there are whole lot of other people hell-bound, too. And i honestly had no idea that that phrase was in there. Lets see. And yes, Baptists and other evangelicals have evolved to believing similar using other methods of mediation for people. Mr. Petry was fired and ordered to be excommunicated and shunned for his opposing Driscolls move to consolidate power in the church and not have Biblical accountability before the elders. I have heard Driscoll in person.. Did Paul hire a company to buy his books and get them on the bestseller list? Has he asked them to forgive him? He needs a revenue stream and using Jesus is all he knows. arrogant, a lover of money, How do you see this as someone looking in? Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. Only the hero. It is possible for somebody who has a cutting tongue and a big mouth to stop. And he was not originally trusted or met with open arms by the Jesus believers of the day. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. When you go to these posh country clubesque entertainment centers their #1 priority is to get visitors connected and plugged in. It does not mean that forgiveness is lacking. The movie was sooooooo good. The bible sayz dat soon the darkness is coming when no one will be listening. Youre not trying hard enough! There will be a day of reckoning. The financial aspects. Look all those happy people; this must be a great place! You cant speak in tongues? @ sam: Do these Pentecostal leaders believe that there is a doppelgnger out there who tied MD up in a basement then impersonated him, swearing and saying horrible things from the pulpit? When I read your comment, this suddenly popped into my head. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. This is not a measure of faith. He lives in the Show Me State, so go ahead and show me. My guess is that their Calvinism isnt the root problem here. So, I read what he wrote, I listened to his speeches, sermons, etc. They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. Gateway also directly lifted the slogan every number has a name, every name has a story.. spiel verbatim from Perry Nobles NewSpring to try to distract from the reality that every member is seen as a giving unit number (no attribution to Perry, of course). And as long as they do, it will continue. You are so spot on. some have suffered unjustly. Like God might show up. Kids will experience life-giving messages and TONS of fun as they watch content created just for them. Any of all of that may be true. (he is still famous and worthy of famous people helping him) things you have heard about mark are not even close to true, what you read on the internet isn't true. It was never presented to me as something evil just something totally unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Here me in this, the issue is Jesus. This has taken a toll on me and my family, as well as those close to me, the former senior pastor wrote in a letter posted on the ROCs website. James River Church is located in the Springfield, MO! Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation).
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