She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. Baptist Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. 26 You blind Pharisee! If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this G.F.F. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. hypocrite. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We had no money. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). No one is "born into the church." A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. He is the Head of the church. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. JUDAH. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. 5 Everything they do is for show. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. 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If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. ? We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. God forgave because Jesus saved. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. N/A If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. N/A Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 53. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 41. We just look for a biblical church to go to. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Does he always heal people no. Baptist I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. 2. Abortion is murder. How will you escape the judgment of hell? People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. This is very good. WebWARNING!!!! I know the answers now. 23. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Such as??? I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Hypocrites! Heartland Baptist Bible College We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. I love devotions with the Lord. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. G. M. Matheny. Again its too legalistic. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. Laws Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. His son a child murderer. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. The New Testament church should be an independent church. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. For example, #54. Simply not true. I prefer Kjv! No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). That makes no sense. 8. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child 51. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Everyone has sent in their life. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). No member shall The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. I forgave through the example of Jesus. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. 48. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. 8. I only hope that you will see it before too long. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. If you want a discussion ask for one. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. Hypocrites! Independent Baptists (a.k.a. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. There isn't much out there on the web. N/A If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). 1 John 1:9 Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. 24. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Baptist beliefs If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. 22. They bought your loyalty. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? People are people and free to choose their own way. I had my part. Lol. So spontaneous but like it was planned. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. I dont know what Daves intentions were. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. LOL. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. We ARE the church my friend! Its the inspired word of God. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Does the lord convict me when I miss? 38. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours.
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